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I mean, yeah, they do kinda do that.
Yeah I feel like, BE's takes on China are pretty shit on the regular but honestly I would be lying if I said I didn't feel like this sometimes. Most leftists on this site have agreed at one point or another that China's international policies have a history of being.... Not the best, but the second you criticize the lack of any real support for Palestine, all of a sudden you get a 10 pages essay about why their strategy of inaction is 10D chess and how they have to keep doing business with Israel and having their politicians literally praise trade deals with them in order to somehow eventually prevent the single last Palestinian child from being murdered.
Like we get it, they can't really do shit because the west, and none of us is ready to die in nuclear hellfire. It's the simple truth, but damn if they don't make it come off like they really just don't give a single shit about stopping it.
As bleak as it is, in my personal opinion, Palestine is doomed. The world will fail to do anything till it's too late for them. The only powers that CAN stop it, have all but blatantly admitted they won't. I know this will piss a lot of people off, and we should all still support them to the last, but I just don't see this genocide being stopped in time.
This is just bad faith nonsense. People have really got to stop believing negative stuff they read about an AES project just because it aligns with what they already suppose is happening.
I can't seem to find it in my bookmarks at the moment so maybe I didn't bookmark it, but there was a thing just recently about a company that was having problems because of China having blocked new investments in israel and marked it as high risk since 2023. I could not figure out from that one story whether the blocking new investments part was recent or if that was also since 2023, but this is part of the problem. Most sources English-speaking people will come across about China organically are not sources coming directly from China about what China is doing.
I use this as an example because it demonstrates how it already isn't as simple as "they are doing business with israel as normal".
Another recent example, about Venezuela, was some people falling for an imperialist headline that claimed Venezuela was sending oil to israel and they took this as evidence of Delcy Rodriguez being a sellout. But official Venezuelan sourcing corrected this claim.
As for the stuff about "10D chess", I can only assume you're referring to analyses that delve into the situation China found itself in after the USSR got destroyed and why it has taken the path it has. It's not 10D chess, it's dialectical and historical materialism, which can probably sound convoluted sometimes, but that's because 1) taking on a hegemonic global capitalist empire is complicated and 2) we're largely trying to explain it from the outside in without having grown up in the Chinese context and being privy to how it all went down.
You're welcome to challenge the analyses and do your own, but dismissing it as 10 page essays of excuses is not helping anyone. It's pretty low effort to fling shit at people who are trying to understand the world and shout some moralist proclamations. It takes more effort to contribute to that understanding, but more importantly, it can require real sacrifice to take moral stands that have consequences for doing so that can result in a painful end.
And if the people of Palestine can be steadfast throughout the decades of torture and genocide they've faced, what is your excuse for proclaiming them doomed?
So I had a big ass well thought out and well written post to detail on all my points but then lemmygrad seemed to crash on all my browsers and it's gone, so I'ma just do a summary on my lemmy account cause I'm too annoyed to retype it all.
Basically, the Chinese blocking trade was a fabrication made by a pissy Isn'real company that made excuses for a Chinese firm not wanting to buy up a bunch of their stock. At least that's how it looks to me. The Chinese embassy refuted their claims. See link. Now maybe there's a secret ban, but China typically stands by their statements.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202602/1355318.shtml
As for the rest... Basically, I think they are doomed because the west is ramping up the genocide, and the aid is running out. Countries are backing off. I'm not belittling their efforts nor saying anyone should give up. Just acknowledging the bleak nature of the world. I also think we have a major issue with "someone will save us/them." And that's that mentality issues all to common and is only hurting us We gotta just accept that no one gonna save us but us. China isn't gonna get themselves nuked for me, you, or anyone else, if they can avoid it. I'd say the same for most other countries.
I never said I was a "China bad because not helping" person, just that I understand how people get there. Like is said, China isn't gonna get themselves nuked for you, me, or anyone else, that's isn't China. It would be stupid to. I wouldn't if I was them. But sometimes, I have to hate on the optics and commentary they give about it. Like when Chinese ambassadors go on about how great trade relations are going with Israel and how great of a trading partner they are. Like " oh cool, glad you having a good ol time with the genocidal maniac state."
I had so much more to say/better wording but I don't have an hour to remember and retype it all, so this is what I got.
The burden for China to have to do something against the wests genocide when they have nothing to do with Palestine, even historically is weird. Despite that the diplomatic perspective of China has always been one of contesting the Golan heights, supporting North Korea and historic support of the PLO when it was a marxist entity.
To say they are not anti-colonial is wrong, they are also pro-trade and diplomancy - im not going to get mad at them for mirroring what the US does which is just bomb them.
My issue wasn't that China isn't doing anything. I get it. I wouldn't get my countrymen in a war, and probably nuked unless there was no other possible option. Certainly not when Isn'treal would just nuke Gaza on its way out anyway. It would be starting WW3 and not actually save anyone in the process. But damn some of the optics and statements they make really make you feel disheartened, and pissed off. When I see big statements by the ambassador praising their trade relations and how they are such good partners and yada yada, it can get rather infuriating. "Oh, so glad you got those priorities right there buddy. So glad you are such happy trading partners with the genocidal child rapists. Good for you."
Imagine your neighbor is regularly beating their wife and raping their kid in front of the whole neighborhood and then you make a comment at how great their last BBQ was. That's what it feels like and IDC what people say or how they justify it. It's fucking sucks and I will say it fucking sucks.
We know how bleak things are. We know what has been happening and what will likely happen. You don't always have to spell it out when it doesn't help anyone.
Why wouldn't Israel destroy itself and take Palestine with them if China decided to militarily overthrow this entity? And who would the world blame? China. It's always China's fault.
There is an epidemic of "someone will do something and save us, we just have to hold out." Across so much of the people I see. On here. On Reddit. IRL. And it need to be broken. Shit is bleak and I'm tired of seeing people hide from it. The world is bleak and it's abandoned Palestine and nothing is more awful and disgusting than that. Nothing is more enraging that people not accepting what is happening. Thinking it'll all be ok. It's fucking not. No one is coming to save them, no one is coming to same us. We have to save ourselves, and maybe, if we hit enough people in the face with that, we won't be alone in doing so. People need a wake up call. People need to top hiding from it.
And Israel will absolutely nuke Gaza on its way out. It's one of many reasons no one will do anything. China isn't going to get itself nuked over it. They aren't stupid. I am not in the "China bad because do nothing" crowd. I get it. And I accept the bleakness. The world leaders have pretty much quietly accepted they will let Palestine die to prevent global nuclear war. My gripe isn't that China isn't doing anything. They do what they can. I am sure of that. It's that damn I could go without seeing shit like their ambassadors going on about how great their trade relations are with Isn'treal and how great partners they are and all that shit. And I can see why people form the opinion that they are just sipping mimosas while all this goes on.
I don't agree with everything written here, but I think this is a decent critique of what's happening under Liberalism Oscar Wilde 1891
That pretty much sums up liberalism, what it does, how it carries out it's evils while pretending to be good and how imo. we desperately need healthy Individualism. But I am struggling to figure out how to pitch this. Right now I'm trying the approach of: "I see you're trying to rescue people here, that's awesome that you care, but we really need to do something about what's causing it."
But people are so propagandized they don't listen to me. I'm talking about building power locally and then we can use it to assist other causes, but they don't want to build power. They keep on relying on private industry and show no interest to work with me to build an alternative. Shit's so bleak, but I'll try to figure out something.
I tried to convince a person I know is a liberal today that like, changing the "current regime" in the Whitehouse will not stop what is happening and that this shits not gonna just get better and there no "weathering this crazy phase."
And it basically made me realize that.... We're doomed. These fucking people. They will just pretend like everything is fine until they are being shoved into an incinerator. They really just cannot fathom that things won't just "be ok." It honestly was part of what spawned my entire rant here.... I just.... How? How can people be so god damn delusional? I am actually going insane. I can feel my mental faculties snapping a little bit more every time I interact with them.
I know I'm going to sound cheesy and like what you've already heard before, but you have to approach it dialectically.
The more ignorant and incompetent the system re-produces the easier it will be to defeat. They're a paper tiger.
I mean, they could do a Trump strategy and declare an economic blockade on Israel and put tariffs on anyone who does business with Israel. But they're too busy complying to the WTO for some reason....
This would involve an immediate reaction by the west and probably end up being almost as bad as taking physical action in the long run. It would only really hurt China and China isn't going to take actions that hurts itself. It's not in their playbook.
Yes, but that's exactly what's frustrating in their foreign policy. They won't do anything that upsets the West. Even Russia was willing to eat up all the sanctions, but China won't do anything. Eventually that will come back to bite them. After all, the destabilization of the Middle East is part of the US plan to destroy China. But the CPC doesn't seem worried, so what do I know?
To enforce that economic blockade, you have to declare war to the entire West and decouple completely from the Western system(USD, SWIFT, Maritime Shipping Routes, et all).
As long as the West is willing to save their Zionist dog by bleeding their economies dry, there is no viable way to do an economic blockade without a military siege.
The problem with people here is that they see the entity as something separate rather than something within the Western system. To eradicate Israel, you have to destroy the West.
Why don't they stop Chinese companies from doing business with Israel then? At the very least they could do that.
Ending trade with Israel means nothing if the U.S. and the EU keep financing, arming, and shielding Israel on every international stage. If we delve into this idea further, we will actually find that it will hurt the Global South as a whole instead of actually hurting Israel because it will push the West for more vicious actions toward China(examples: weaponizing the USD, weaponizing maritime shipping and oil routes, worse coercion than before to the point of blackmail to isolate China from the Global South). As long as the viable alternatives to the Western system(USD, SWIFT, Maritime Shipping Routes, et all) are not ready, any actions like this from China will only trigger more confrontation that will affect everyone including the Palestinians.
That's why I will highlight once again that seeing Israel as something separate from the West instead of something from within is a big problem that will only lead you to oversimplification.
If we really want the end to the genocide instead of performative actions that will lead us nowhere, Israel’s lifeline must be destroyed and that lifeline is U.S's and EU's. military aid, markets, weapons, UN protection. The US and the EU must collapse as a whole.