The Deprogram

but the second you criticize the lack of any real support for Palestine, all of a sudden you get a 10 pages essay about why their strategy of inaction is 10D chess and how they have to keep doing business with Israel and having their politicians literally praise trade deals with them in order to somehow eventually prevent the single last Palestinian child from being murdered.

This is just bad faith nonsense. People have really got to stop believing negative stuff they read about an AES project just because it aligns with what they already suppose is happening.

I can't seem to find it in my bookmarks at the moment so maybe I didn't bookmark it, but there was a thing just recently about a company that was having problems because of China having blocked new investments in israel and marked it as high risk since 2023. I could not figure out from that one story whether the blocking new investments part was recent or if that was also since 2023, but this is part of the problem. Most sources English-speaking people will come across about China organically are not sources coming directly from China about what China is doing.

I use this as an example because it demonstrates how it already isn't as simple as "they are doing business with israel as normal".

Another recent example, about Venezuela, was some people falling for an imperialist headline that claimed Venezuela was sending oil to israel and they took this as evidence of Delcy Rodriguez being a sellout. But official Venezuelan sourcing corrected this claim.

As for the stuff about "10D chess", I can only assume you're referring to analyses that delve into the situation China found itself in after the USSR got destroyed and why it has taken the path it has. It's not 10D chess, it's dialectical and historical materialism, which can probably sound convoluted sometimes, but that's because 1) taking on a hegemonic global capitalist empire is complicated and 2) we're largely trying to explain it from the outside in without having grown up in the Chinese context and being privy to how it all went down.

You're welcome to challenge the analyses and do your own, but dismissing it as 10 page essays of excuses is not helping anyone. It's pretty low effort to fling shit at people who are trying to understand the world and shout some moralist proclamations. It takes more effort to contribute to that understanding, but more importantly, it can require real sacrifice to take moral stands that have consequences for doing so that can result in a painful end.

And if the people of Palestine can be steadfast throughout the decades of torture and genocide they've faced, what is your excuse for proclaiming them doomed?

The burden for China to have to do something against the wests genocide when they have nothing to do with Palestine, even historically is weird. Despite that the diplomatic perspective of China has always been one of contesting the Golan heights, supporting North Korea and historic support of the PLO when it was a marxist entity.

To say they are not anti-colonial is wrong, they are also pro-trade and diplomancy - im not going to get mad at them for mirroring what the US does which is just bomb them.

We know how bleak things are. We know what has been happening and what will likely happen. You don't always have to spell it out when it doesn't help anyone.

Why wouldn't Israel destroy itself and take Palestine with them if China decided to militarily overthrow this entity? And who would the world blame? China. It's always China's fault.